Daisho Con

I found Yushi's post in the NoBrand forums, and I'm stealing it for our debate.

Yushi wrote:What the hell is a gay agenda?

Does it involve Michaels and well dressed men?

I seriously need to frigging know.

Also, what the crap is a gay mafia and how do I join one.

What do you guys think?

From my experience, the "gay agenda" is what people on the right call the left's push to insert the belief that homosexuality is allright, natural, etc. into everyday media and experience. A number of people on the right, for many reasons, do not like this belief being forced onto them, thus it's being called an agenda.

Never heard about the Gay Mafia before, though.

capitocapito wrote:I found Yushi's post in the NoBrand forums, and I'm stealing it for our debate.

Yushi wrote:What the hell is a gay agenda?

Does it involve Michaels and well dressed men?

I seriously need to frigging know.

Also, what the crap is a gay mafia and how do I join one.

What do you guys think?

oh wow, I'm surprised something I said on another forum is being brought up. This is really one of the first times it's happened.

I'll leave it to you guys though,

I just had to bring it up, because I think it is an important topic.

There are a lot of people who are specifically against gay people, so I find it hilarious that there would be a "gay agenda" as opposed to the agenda that seems focused against the gays.

But in all seriousness, I believe the gay agenda is a term derived from people in fundamentalist religions. It comes from the belief that god created marriage as a construct between a man and woman under his name, and that any deviation is an attempt to ruin god's construct.

My view is,

If your gay, Your ok!

Way too many things have changed to make today's society AKA Marriage isn't as 'holy' as the strong Christians say it is, and this country was made on the bases of "Freedom of Religion" and they shouldn't make laws based on a religion when IT DOESN'T FRECKING HURT ANYONE!
(be warned gay rights is one of the few things I'm passionate about, so let's start the ranting)
Here's a question that's been bugging me FOREVER!
If gay marriage is illegal, can one of a same sex couple get a sex change and then it's legal? or if in a couple of the same sex and one was BORN a different gender but got a sex change is it legal?
shortly: does the law go off what your body says, or what's on your birth certificate?
(sorry if I'm off topic but...kinda on a roll and can't stop)
Also, if they want to take laws of marriage from the bible, then it would be illegal to get a divorce. Then the bible also says that any woman who wishes to marry but is not a virgin must be stoned, or something like that. Anyway, everyone isn't going to agree with others life choices, but they shouldn't have the power to push their beliefs onto other by making it a LAW! and...yeah get with the times stupid people

(stupid people = the creepy guys that were outside my school once handing out pamphlets on how if your gay your going to hell, but 'God' can cure you)

Personally Marriage is a religious institution in general. It has no place in our legal system anyway. If it's legal and economic(insurance) effects were removed then the whole issue would be moot anyway.

The big key is in personal beliefs. I, like many others, believe the Bible to be the true Word of God, and it says in many places (Not just in Numbers and in the Jewish Ceremonial Laws, which were fulfilled in Christ) that homosexuality is a sin.

Yes, this country is based on Freedom of Religion, and isn't a Christian Nation, like many say, but the fact that there are people who are endorsing what many (including myself) belive to be an outright sinful lifestyle is very uncomfortable. Easily explains my distaste for Yaoi.


I'm not trying to judge, and I'm not saying anything about anyone here. I'm just stating how I (and many others) see things. Bash me if you want, but that's the way it is.

I don't see why people are so opposed to something that is not really that big of a deal.. They just make it out to be a big deal.. If homosexuals want to get married then go ahead.. your not affecting me directly in any way.. hell smoking is worse than gay marriage

SpazKitty wrote:If gay marriage is illegal, can one of a same sex couple get a sex change and then it's legal? or if in a couple of the same sex and one was BORN a different gender but got a sex change is it legal?
shortly: does the law go off what your body says, or what's on your birth certificate?
(sorry if I'm off topic but...kinda on a roll and can't stop)

Probably, but "gay" and "transgendered" are not the same thing. Sex change operations can be detrimental to same-sex relationships since it impacts physical attraction (i.e. "I'm into guys... but you're a girl now so I'm not into you anymore").

Since I view marriage as nothing more than a legal status, I'm honestly ambivalent to the concept of gay marriage, but I heavily support gays having access to the legal status in some form. Marriage is the easiest way to facilitate that, but not the only one.

What bothers me is the crazy wingnuts decrying what should be a simple legal right. Even if I'm not an ardent supporter per se, gay marriage opponents are wrong, wrong, wrong and the issue exposes them as hateful, seething hypocrites.

SpazKitty wrote:Here's a question that's been bugging me FOREVER!
If gay marriage is illegal, can one of a same sex couple get a sex change and then it's legal? or if in a couple of the same sex and one was BORN a different gender but got a sex change is it legal?
shortly: does the law go off what your body says, or what's on your birth certificate?

Sex can't always be changed on a birth certificate, but sometimes can. You don't need to have your sex changed on a birth certificate for purpose of marriage, but you do need your sex to be recognized by your state.

As far as I know, this issue is still debated today. In the US, the issue is decided on a state-by-state manner. Some states won't recognize the new sex for purposes of marriage.

Personally, my view is this: I don't care if you're gay, straight, or something in between.

You're a person, no matter what, and therefor deserve the same rights and dignity as any other individual.

Alhon wrote:The big key is in personal beliefs. I, like many others, believe the Bible to be the true Word of God, and it says in many places (Not just in Numbers and in the Jewish Ceremonial Laws, which were fulfilled in Christ) that homosexuality is a sin.

Yes, this country is based on Freedom of Religion, and isn't a Christian Nation, like many say, but the fact that there are people who are endorsing what many (including myself) belive to be an outright sinful lifestyle is very uncomfortable. Easily explains my distaste for Yaoi.


I'm not trying to judge, and I'm not saying anything about anyone here. I'm just stating how I (and many others) see things. Bash me if you want, but that's the way it is.

I have failed my will save to resist commenting.

Why should any religious belief govern anything the government does. Word of God or no, as according to the Bible man has free will. If they wish to damn themselves by being Gay let them, God gave them that option, so should the government.

If you want to get general about it, everything everyone does is based on a belief, whether religious or not. You have a belief that I am wrong. I have a belief that you are wrong. You believe I am wrong because religion is fallible. I believe you are wrong because human reason is fallible.

Why should any belief, period, decide what the government does, religious or not? Your question simply demands this response.

Vulaas wrote:Personally, my view is this: I don't care if you're gay, straight, or something in between.

You're a person, no matter what, and therefor deserve the same rights and dignity as any other individual.

To quote the emortal words of the great George Carlin:

Whether you're heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, trisexual or that thing where the girl ties a belt around your neck and tinkles on a balloon, it has absolutely nothing to do with who we are as people.